
Dive into an inspiring journey of entrepreneurial success with Amy Moring, co-founder of Hunter and Gather, on The Deal Maker Podcast. Starting with a revolutionary avocado mayonnaise, Amy and her co-founder Jeff turned a shoestring budget into a thriving, healthy lifestyle brand projected to hit £12 million in turnover.
In this episode, Amy shares their pivotal challenges, their strategic focus on education over profit, and how their personal health struggles shaped their business philosophy. From humble beginnings to scaling up to a team of 21, discover actionable insights on starting early, embracing risks, and fostering a strong team culture. Whether you’re a budding entrepreneur or a seasoned business owner, Amy’s story will equip you with the tools to turn your passion into a profitable venture.
KEY TAKEAWAYS
- Start early and don’t be afraid of failure – Amy and Jeff started their business in their 20s, even though they didn’t have everything figured out. They were willing to take risks and saw even small successes as positive steps.
- Focus on education and real, unprocessed foods – The driving force behind Hunter and Gather was a desire to educate people about nutrition and provide healthier food options, rather than just chasing profits.
- Build a strong team and company culture – As the business grew, Amy and Jeff emphasized hiring the right senior leadership and fostering a positive, low-turnover company culture.
- Be adaptable and willing to learn – Amy and Jeff were open to trying new things and not being bound by industry norms, which allowed them to find success in a competitive market.
Tune in to hear how Amy Moring leverages her unique approach to health and wellness to drive her business forward, offering lessons that resonate across industries and personal ambitions. Join us on The Deal Maker Podcast for your weekly inspiration to innovate, negotiate, and succeed.
FULL TRANSCRIPT
I am here with Amy from Hunter and gather, which is a lifestyle ancestral, ancestral, which is an ancestral lifestyle brand, and they are expected to do 12 million pounds in turnover this year, and we’re going to do a deep dive on how you can start scale and grow a business and turn your passion in to profit. So Amy, it’s a real pleasure to have you in the show. I am a huge fan of your brand. I use a number of your products. I’m an absolute health nut, and anything I can use and take and we can help the audience to live a better life is going to be incredible. Look, before we get into the products, take us back to when you were growing up. Was there anything that happened as a child that then led you into the path of being a business owner? Yeah, definitely, there’s a few kind of pivotal moments, really, I think if we just think about kind of what’s happening in the UK at the moment, that kind of helps when I explain about my past. So the food and nutrition that is going on in modern societies is mental people are suffering modern chronic diseases, type two diabetes, mental health conditions, obesity. These were quite unheard of, literally, like not that long ago, my grandparents, kind of era, and for me, right at the beginning of my journey, I was kind of thrust into the world of understanding about food and nutrition because I was diagnosed as celiac at 18 months old. And for those that don’t know what that is, it’s a gluten free lifestyle. Basically, it’s a medical condition where my body will attack itself and an autoimmune response if I’m exposed to gluten. And the only way to get around that is to know exactly what I’m eating. And back then, so that was around or just over 30 years ago. There was no allergens on food. There was no gluten free oil. I really had to know what I was eating. So it was real food. Wasn’t always Ultra processed crap that we’ve got these days. And over those 30 years, I just literally saw the supermarkets change for the worst, like so much bad food out there, people getting sicker, my grandparents getting diagnosed with type two diabetes, and it’s just younger and younger. We’ve got kids now being diagnosed with type two diabetes, and in most cases, like over 99% can be reversed for diet and lifestyle. So that started really early on.
My dad has his own business. He’s a carpenter, so I used to get dragged along to his like weekend, where he’d go and price jobs up, etc, driving around in his big blue van. So kind of understood what it took to go out and make something for yourself. So that was kind of floating around as well. And my partner and co founder, Jeff, he grew up in dagenham, one of the largest council estates in obviously, Europe, and he was eating just a conventional diet, wheat, bits sugar, you know, going to the gym, trying to bulk up with his shakes. And we met. When was we? So it had been we was about 1516, years old. We met, and we started dating a few years later, and he just learned, like, okay, food was impacting me in a certain way. He was getting his own symptoms, like acne, poor stomach. He actually had to call an ambulance for himself at one point because he was so poorly from the food. And there was a whole like journey there for him as well, which I can go. Into, if you want, you know what? I think, I think it’s incredible how sometimes the stars are aligned and and it sent you, you know, down this path, and then you’ve created this incredible business. Let’s talk about the industry, then the food industry, you know, we’re going to be talking about food, we’re going to be talking about entrepreneurship on here. We’re going to be talking about growing and scaling. It’s going to be such an incredible episode and but if we, if we look at the food industry as a whole, what the hell has happened, and why has it happened? You know what? What’s really going on under, underneath the surface? I’d like to get your views on that. Yeah. So not a lot of people know that most food in the UK in particular, and America come from a handful of big food companies, so they advise on governments what we should be eating. And you’ll notice that there might be a change in policy, or there’s this 100 calorie snacks that came out, seen a lot of those. Yeah, and it’s no surprise that the day after that’s announced, oh, there’s products ready now. Products take years of development, sometimes to get to that point. So these big food companies know what’s happening. They’re guiding it, and at the end of the day, they work for profit, so you sometimes get poor quality foods being created with profit as the driver versus health. Mars is a big business. One of them, you’ve kind of got Nestle, but there’s, there’s a few others.
So, so what you say these, these four or five very large corporates across the world that are pretty much controlling the narrative and what we’re seeing and what we’re eating. They don’t really care for the end consumer. It’s all about the profits. And I’ve done a little bit of research, not loads of research, into this. I’m really mindful about what I put into my body most of the time, but I’m now looking on the packets, the back of packets, and seeing the amount of ingredients that are in a protein bar or in one of these snacks, and there’s like 30 or 40 ingredients. Surely, this can’t be good for you. Yeah? Like, it really depends as well, because there’s a lot of you hear it happening in the Eco world, like greenwashing. I think there’s a bit of health washing that happens as well. So what you see on the front of park doesn’t always reflect what is actually in there. And there’s a lot of misinformation. There’s a lot of confusing information out there, like, I don’t personally believe that eat well Guide is a great model for nutrition, but when you’re a child and you’re at school and you’re being educated, that’s what a lot people go to because it’s government advice, why would they be telling us anything that’s different to kind of what health should be? But if you think about it as well. We’ve been doing something wrong because we’re following guidelines. We’re actually getting our five a day in most cases. In the UK, we’re reducing our sugar intake, but yet we’re getting sicker. So the rates of obesity is that because of what’s in the food? Yeah, I miss misguided information. So the eat well guide as well does take a lot of time to change, and more research might come out, but it’s 13 years old or 20 years old, and it’s not keeping up with with new information. So as a brand at Hunter and gavo and Jeff and I’s personal journey is we learn about ancestral living, and what that really means is just stripping food back to real food, real ingredients that you can pronounce, low carbohydrate. We just seem to have an influx of carbs in our lives, pizzas, pastas. Everyone wants bread exactly, and you don’t need such a high carbohydrate diet, all you’re doing is insulin spikes, which, well, it turns to sugar, right? Yeah, that’s what people don’t actually know, that when you eat carbs, that goes to sugar, and sugar is not good for your body, because, like you say, you get these insulin spikes, and that affects your mood and your energy levels and all that type of stuff, exactly.
So especially if you’re trying to run a business and you want a clarity of mind, like honestly, I think eating this way has put my IQ up a few points. Don’t think I’d be a CEO about it. Honestly, I’d be napping all the time going through these crash cycles. So and seed oils is another one that’s a big one that you see in a lot of protein bars or so for that don’t know what, what’s a seed oil? So it’s an oil. Mostly you’ll see it as sunflower or rapeseed oil on packaging. In the UK, it’s known as canola oil, another name for it in the US. So it comes from, like little seeds in plants. You know that yellow crop that grows around essip loads of it here. It’s really easy to grow, and its work became really popular as an oil that is a seed oil, but it only came into kind of our eating, kind of every day in the last sort of 60 to 70 years, like sunflower oil, things like this, yeah, yeah. So ancestry, it would have been animal based tallow, geese and ancestral fat, even avocado oil, olive oils, they’re pressed from like a flesh. Okay, feel it. It’s really kind of easy to imagine pressing avocado. It’s done mechanically. A seed is really hard to get an oil out of, so a lot of time it’s hexane, chemical treated. You get a lot of bleaching, and they’ve got a lot of omega seed. Omega three and six ratio is really important for health as well. And seed oils are really high in a poor quality fat. Okay, to simplify, and then What? What? If you’re if you’re having too much seed oil over a long period of time, what does that do to the body? That would be good to know. So rapeseed oil, when it was first a crop, it was acutely toxic to humans. That that would mean it would kill you if you ate it. Oh, wow. So yeah, you can’t get much worse than that. Yeah. Now it was used as an engine lubricant. So it was used in tanks, machineries, great for wartime, when kind of all that settled down, there was this crop that could grow very easily. But what do we do with it? So some clever or not so clever scientists, depending on what side of the fence you see, it genetically modified the crop, were able to cross breed it as well. And there was a the modern day, canola, or rapeseed, was created whereby it’s not acutely toxic, but in our opinion, it’s not got a place in the human diet shouldn’t be there. Creates inflammation. People with joint issues, you’re getting poor quality calories. It’s quite calorific as well, and it’s just been linked to a lot of modern chronic disease. So it’s just not, it’s not an ideal thing to be eating.
So with all of this information, that’s really good information. Thanks. With all of this knowledge to hand, and you were going on your journey, Jeff was going on his journey. When was the moment that you decided to start this incredible company that you now have? Was there? Was it a coffee? Was you both laying down in bed? Was it was there a moment where you had that conversation and like, this is what we’re going to do, and what did that look like? Yeah, so it was probably a couple of conversations. I would say. Jeff was in the construction industry, so he was a surveyor. He was very fortunate to get a graduate scheme, so he finished that, and he had a bit of an entrepreneurial itch in himself. So he actually started a building company himself first, and he was doing fit outs in like police stations and schools, and he was employing his dad struggling to find work. So he’d learnt how to set up a business in that way, but he had this desire to take the knowledge that we’d learnt about food and nutrition and educate people. So he thought about being a doctor, thought about being an influencer, and all many different things. And my career was in product. So in what we call the FMCG world, which is fast moving consumer goods. So I understood that actually, it wasn’t governments telling supermarkets what should be on shelves and available. It was the brands, and the big brands at that, with lots of money behind them.
So I said to Jeff, look, you could go and be a doctor. You could do this, could do that, but you’ve got this entrepreneurial spirit. You want to work for yourself. You want to do good in the world. We’ve got that proper, I think we’re millennials, integrity, yeah. And it was actually a drive for providing education, which leads into how business is set up as well. And the products were almost secondary, which sounds weird, because we’re so well known for our products, and we’re product first business, but the education was the driver. And I say to Jeff, I can help you with product. We want to use it as a tool for education. Let’s just give it a go, and we didn’t know how big it would be. So, wow, wow. So it’s just a conversation, few conversations, an idea, driver passion. I love the fact that you said the education came first, because you wanted to educate people on on what they should be putting in their bodies. So you start the business. How did it get started? What were some of the biggest challenges? Because there’s people tuning into this now that they were either earlier. In their business career, or they want to start a business, and we know there’s no shiny Penny. There’s ups and downs. There’s challenges all the time. What were some of your challenges at the start, and how did you overcome them? Yeah, I think, when I look back, I think our appetite for risk is probably higher than what I’d quote, unquote saying a normal person, and we had age on our side as well. So when we started the business, I was 24 so we just bought a flat together maybe the year or two before. So we didn’t have any any children as well. So I actually feel like, although you have less potential backup at that time, you also have no nothing holding you back, per se. So you kind of got to think about that as well. So a lot of people say, I’ll just wait. I wait 10 years and I’ll do it later. The earlier you start, the better for us. We for Jeff’s building business. We utilize credit cards, and I think at one point we had like 60 grand plus in debt to fund materials for his job. So we’d already got into a pattern of understanding like debt funding as well. We had a flat together. It was a two bedroom flat, and we rented out the other room to an Australian couple who we did that for many years, actually, and it helped pay towards the mortgage to take a bit of worry off there you can get it used to be about 7000 pounds tax free money per year for renting out a room, so just check on that now, but it’s a really easy way to make money, right? And it just meant we was bit more protected, so you could take these risks.
So then it was just a case of, just start, just do some designs. Think of a vision, and I’d love to say, like we had it all mapped out. We really didn’t. We didn’t even know what the first product would be before we knew we were starting the business. We just had this desire to educate and go from there. That was it. So was it something you were doing long hours, you were staying up late, getting up early, like, did the pair of you just become, like, obsessed with the launch and getting it out there. What? What sacrifices? Obviously, look you rented out your room. You know you may do with that type. I think that’s really, really smart thing to do. You made the decision. What other sort of sacrifices were you making in the early days? Yeah, so I kept working the first two to three years as well, because we was putting all money that we could obviously into the business, because especially in FMCG or product based businesses like you can do it on a shoestring budget. It’s not like tech, where you need to raise loads of money and you get massive valuations really early. The more that you give away early, the more it impacts you down the line, especially in in FMCG.
So it was about, how could we launch the business, create the products with no or little investment from outsiders? What deck could we use, and how could put a thing in? So I used to commute, and I think about it now, because I’m trying to employ people to obviously in my business, and I’m like, Jesus Christ, I used to commute an hour and a half into the city five days a week, so three hours a day commuting to a job. It’s almost just wasting your life away, isn’t it? It’s just like, yeah. It’s like, well, but I like, flipped it on its head in my mindset, where I did emails for Hunter and Gabba on the training. So I got the CTC for anyone in ESS, which you could get, obviously, 4g signal. And then when I was on the tube, I’d write blog posts, right? Great. So actually, that three hours was pure focus time, yeah. So I managed to do that. I covered Sales and Marketing for Hunter and galvar, so I actually found I was working three hours on Hunter and Galva a day, and also able to do the full time job. Well, I think that’s really smart, because you’re just utilizing time. You know, where there’s a will, there’s a way, when you’ve got the vision, it will pull you forward 100% and so many people, they bring up blocks and barriers and excuses. I haven’t got the time, I haven’t got the energy. I haven’t got this. I haven’t got that. Where really there is enough time, it just, do you want it bad enough? Do you want it bad enough? So you did that for the first few years. What was the first product that you launched? Was it successful? Yeah. What was that? So it’s an avocado mayonnaise. Okay, so we was looking at all different products to launch and again to buy that one. I’m buying it today, just so you. You know you’re gonna wind up today. So the barrier was okay. We didn’t have any money. We was going to be funding it ourselves. What kind of product could we launch that didn’t have massive upfront costs? You go into the drinks industry running cans, sometimes you have to do 1000s and 1000s of cans, hundreds of 1000s of cans, to have a printed product so it wasn’t going to be drinks, and that wasn’t really an area anyway we were wanting to enter into. So we kind of reflect Him. Was like, Okay, people, once they start educating and start learning like we were, we got cooking from scratch. We had our steak, we had our sweet potato fries, and we had nothing to go on it. It was Heinz helmets. And when we looked into the condiments, and we were like, Oh, my God, how much sugar is in ketchup and the poor quality ingredients in Mayos, we were like, Oh, just I’m doing everything, and it’s something so simple, yet we’re undoing all the good. And we’d see people have their salads in the city, and they’ll be pouring oils over it, and you’re like, Oh my God, you’ve just totally undone, yeah, all the good, the sentiment that you were going for. So it was like, okay, condiments. Was looking to make them from home. We borrowed a friend’s massive stick blender from a school canteen. We were looking at ways we could do it, but we’ve got two cats. One’s very fluffy. And I was like, this is a food safety nightmare. So we we had a little in this time, actually, in the first kind of thinking about the business and fully launching, we actually moved house and took the lodges, okay? So we had a little garden, and we put a shed in the garden, and that become our office. So it’s like the setups not really right for us to manufacture. How we’re going to do this, rent a kitchen, etc. We were really fortunate. We just went to Google and looked for continent manufacturers, and we found our manufacturer that we still use to this day. And sometimes the stars are lying, but if you don’t ask, you don’t get so we just asked them, look, we want to do a small trial production. Can we do it? What’s the upfront costs, etc. We managed to do that trial out of our own funds, a few 100 pounds, wow, and it’s bought another one and bought another one. And then how you like, how did you have the education to know how much ingredients to go in and how to make this stuff? Who was the brains behind that?
Just me and Jeff, just you and Jeff researching it. And, yeah, because we took inspiration from other countries, we was like, Well, how would our grandparents make a mayo? It’s actually really simple. You’ve got egg yolk, you’ve got oil, you got some acid, like a vinegar, and then you’ve you’ve got some salt. So that’s how you would make a mayo. And then you look at the supermarket one, it’s got 1112, 13 ingredients. Why are they over engineering this? And that’s what’s happened with loads of food over engineered shelf life increases. So when you launched that first product, how was that? How did how did you celebrate? Was it a moment for you guys? Did you have a conversation like, how did that feel when I look back? There was so much like going on, obviously early in career as well, and I was very transparent with my employer, but I was trying to keep that running. We had people in our house, lodging, obviously, rooms out. Then we doing this in the living room, basically for like, packing up orders, and we’ve got one photo of like the palette arriving on our like in a parking space, and we handled it all up. I don’t think I really thought too much about it. And I think again, that was one of our strengths. We didn’t overthink anything like we weren’t really scared of failure as well. Like we didn’t know really what it could become. We thought we could do this big idea, but even if we sold those one jar, that was a more positive step than what had come before. I think I’ve let go of that. Yeah, it’s almost like just taking it day by day, yeah, not worrying about the outcome, just following your passion, taking it day by day, and you are where you are now. So your first product went out, take your second product went out, your third product went out just a few years ago. Your turnover was how much so we’ve grown pretty quickly. So when we first started, so we started at the end of 2017 we had a year and a bit like for the first financial year, because we kind of cut it, I think we did like 120k in that first year. Then it jumped up to about, like it was 600 Okay, then 1.8 million, then 2.8 million, then three point 8,000,006.5 and then now, now on target for wanting to do 12 million. Yeah, maybe 20 million. And who knows? Is it predominantly still UK based, or have you taken it International? Was that going to be the next move? Yeah. So we’re predominantly UK, so we’re mostly e commerce led, but we do have retail so in Tesco, Oh, lovely Holland and Barra, places like that, Cardo as well. We’re also our internationals, but mainly through Amazon. Okay, so utilize Amazon in Germany, that’s a good growth area for us. And we have some international retail we’ve just launched the US Amazon also fantastic. So, yeah, great. You’re growing and just talk us through. How many do you have in your team now? Where’s your head office? What’s it been like going from you two in your shed to now a team. And what’s been some of the the ups and the downs of growing that team over the last, what, six, seven years? Yeah, so we’re based in Chadron, which is in Essex, so we’ve not gone well. I’ve got horses need to be out in the countryside a bit more. So, yeah, obviously, going from just the two of us, we’re now 19, soon to be 21 because we got two roles out at the moment, if anyone wants a job, and we went through, we did a bit of a interesting route to that, really. So we started, and we’ve got a saying of, if you want to go fast, go alone, but if you want to go far, go together. So when we first was growing and it was jumping up, it was like, okay, we can do this alone with E commerce, and we don’t need loads of overhead. We didn’t have the money to either. So we would do the 8020 rule of just like, spend 20% of your time to deliver 80% of the results, and that’s enough. Like you don’t have to get to the 100, yeah, because I’ve only got 20% of time. So fine. We used to ask freelancers early on, they’re really good. If you are unsure if you’re going to be able to pay, obviously, salaries, or you want a bit more flexibility, you can get some really good skills in for maybe one day a week. So we utilized freelancers until we had the money to invest in a team properly. So we then built a senior leadership team structure so they can take a lot of pressure off of Jeff and myself. So we’ve got an amazing senior leadership and then they have their teams now beneath them, yeah? So by getting that kind of first senior rung, and to be honest, we probably employed above our weight, yeah, but when you can see what our growth is like, we needed to because we weren’t just employing for where we were now as employee for the future, employee for the future. And I’ve got to say I want to be the stupidest person in my boardroom. Yes, the bottom line, right? I want to hire the best and then focus on what I’m good at, building, relationships, sales, marketing, whatever the case may be, yeah? So, okay, yeah, go for it. Whereas a lot of people, I think, think, Okay, I’ve got 30 grand, I’m going to employ a junior person for this particular role. You’re probably better off doing freelancers at that point, depending on what it is. And then when you’ve got real money to kind of invest, then bringing your heads off, because otherwise you’re going to be running the business, training people and picking up HR like, HR, how did you go and find your heads of your department? Did you go to recruitment agencies? How did you personally do that? Yeah, so some was from recruitment agencies. One was actually, so our finance director I actually spoke to on LinkedIn, so just built connections and then timing all slotted into place. What I’m really surprised as of as a business owner, knowing what I was like in my early stages of my career as a 20 something year old, the lack of people that actually approach businesses like, if you put together, like a box or something, with your skills, and you just went a bit above and beyond, and you loved a company, someone did that, I would take them so serious, 100% Yeah, and employing people is really strange. Like, it’s completely odd to me that it’s almost like the employers doing a lot of the work versus the other way around. But again, I think that’s just the way I’m in business that go above and beyond. Yeah. So employing people can be really tricky, and it can be one of the most expensive things. You’re not ready to have a team culture that’s positive. You haven’t got things set up that people one expect or two above and beyond that you’re gonna lose people, and it’s really expensive to the same with customers. Right? Having a customer and getting them to buy again is cheaper and easier than finding a new customer? Yeah, for sure. Yeah. It’s the same with your team. Like, if you look at it on pure business metrics, going to be so expensive to pay recruitment fees every six months if you’ve got a culture that’s just going to lose people. So I take a lot of time in our culture finding the right person when we hired some of the senior leadership, on average, I spent between 30 and 40 hours per role on recruiting. Wow, wow. That’s very detailed interviews. Reading. We have a three step process for the interviews, because if someone doesn’t want the job enough to do that, then come with us through the journey great, and we have pretty much zero staff turnover. A lot of our team have been with us for years now, so and then having a development plan, and like getting people that are comfortable with change, if you’re early in your journey, and someone that comes in as a junior or head of if you can afford that, at that point, they may well progress to be in your MD or I love the way that you’re talking about. Having a culture of in the business is very much here for assets for life as well. We have a culture that’s sort of set by me and my senior team members very like you’re very due diligent on our recruitment process. You’re only as good as your team. So where do you spend you and Jeff, now, what do you do mostly now in the business? What is your main role that you focus on day to day? So again, it changes all the time. So as I’ve gone through it’s probably taken up until this point for me not to be day to day tasks. So I gradually gave away every like little bit by little bit get out of operations.
Enables me to come and do things like this. There’s not anything that the business relies upon me on a given day to do for it to not run effectively. So we’re both in that position now, Jeff and I, where we’re more guiders, supporters of the senior leadership team. We kind of work for them, if that makes sense, in providing what they need. So that’s more strategic now. So it’s every quarter, we do a full new business strategy review, budget review, do weekly senior leadership team meetings. I still help plan, like our team away, nice, going away next week for this week, going glamping. Oh, lovely. Water therapy, excellent. Take the whole team, yeah. Oh, great, yep. So we’re going for that. So culture, it’s probably a big part for me, and then investor relations, PR, and just making sure that the vision we will work into the same thing. So I’m really strong on project management. We use Asana. If anyone hasn’t got something like that, there’s notion monday.com we don’t email each other at Hunter and gather all project based stuff, and we hybrid as well. So you have two days in the office and then the rest of the time, generally from home. Yeah. So definitely, it sounds like you’re on a really great path. You’re doing wonderful things. I’m a big fan of your products, and I’m going to go and indulge a little bit more this afternoon. What would you say to wrap up now, it’s been great. You’ve shared some incredible tips you really have. What would you say to anyone tuning in now that is perhaps doing something they don’t enjoy.
They know they are destined for something bigger and better, but they just don’t quite know what the next movie is. What would be your words of wisdom just start, even if you don’t know it’s 100% right, because you learn something anyway. So honesty is good as well. So is there a way that you can share with with where you’re currently working, for example, what your aims and ambitious. Not everyone can. Jeff’s industry didn’t enable that. Mine did, yeah, so I think about that, and just tip your like, put your toe in the water. You’re obviously in a good place. Listening to this podcast already. Maybe find a mentor, talk to someone, get on LinkedIn. But I also wouldn’t hold yourself back by feeling like you need to know everything to start for us personally being naive and actually not knowing anything really was. Is a blessing in disguise, because you can break industry norms, and that’s when you’re not bound by years of this is how it’s done, which a lot of people are. So if you’re coming fresh into an industry, you can see things different, and that’s when you’ll have a breakthrough. So just start, just start, get on with it. Well, look, you’re on the deal maker podcast. What does, in your own words, being a deal maker mean to you?
It’s about seeing things in a different way and coming to an agreement, especially if it’s both parties, where both people are slightly pissed off. So it should never be that you’re fleecing someone. It should be that you’re both slightly uncomfortable, but you’ve got to a position that does ultimately work for everyone. Brilliant. And that’s sometimes the best deals as well, right? Great. You know what? It’s been an absolute pleasure having you on the podcast. I know your product’s going to impact and change hopefully millions, if not billions, of lives across the globe. Keep doing what you’re doing. You’re a huge inspiration, and I’m sure it’ll be great to get you back at some point in the future. So thanks very much. Lovely, lovely, lovely, wow. There we have it. What an incredible story, a podcast filled with so much inspiration, some guidance. If we can do it, you can do it too. Look, I am a big believer in health and well being.
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